OutSyed The Box

Posted: 20 Jul 2012 02:29 AM PDT

I think there is some serious confusion among some people about "religion".

Can a "christian" follow the Buddhist scripture and still claim to be a follower of Jesus? I dont think so. The Buddhists do not believe in a god. If you follow the Buddhist scripture then you are a Buddhist, not "christian".

Can a "jew" follow the Hindu scripture and still claim to be a follower of Moses ? I dont think so. The Hindus believe in a multiple number of gods. If you follow the Hindu scripture, you are a Hindu, not "jewish". I hope that is not too difficult to understand.

And there is no evidence that Jesus signed a 'subcontracting' agreement with the Buddhists or that Moses signed a 'subcontracting' agreement with the Hindus either.

By the same logic, the Prophet of Islam could not have followed the Jewish and/or Christian scriptures. Why would he want to do such a thing? I found the following on the Net and have edited it. (The original is too explosive, I wont even tell you where you can find it).

Firstly, the Quran records that Allah told the Rasul :

[Surah 3 : 3 - 4 ] He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Taurat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan. Surely they who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution.

The Quran has been revealed to the Rasul as a Criterion or Furqan to verify what was before it, including the Taurat and Injeel. So the Quran can be used to verify things.

In its role as a criterion, the Quran can only verify things that are found inside the Quran. If the Quran has A, B, C and D whereas the Bible has E, F and G then the Quran cannot verify E, F and G. Its as simple as that. This is simple logic that anyone can understand - it does not matter if you are Muslim or non Muslim.

Warning No. 1 : Then the Quran says about the Bani Israel (this is from the Muslim point of view ok)

[Surah 2.78] And there are among them gentiles who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture.

[Surah 2.79] Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: "This is from Allah", so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.

Here is the Malay translation :

[2:78] Dan di antara mereka pula ada orang-orang yang buta huruf, mereka tidak mengetahui akan isi Kitab selain dari penerangan-penerangan bohong, dan mereka hanyalah berpegang kepada sangkaan-sangkaan sahaja.

[2: 79] Kecelakaan besar bagi orang-orang yang menulis Kitab dengan tangan mereka (lalu mengubah Kalam Allah dengan rekaan-rekaan mereka), kemudian mereka berkata: "Ini ialah dari sisi Allah", supaya mereka dengan perbuatan itu dapat membeli keuntungan dunia yang sedikit. Maka kecelakaan besar bagi mereka disebabkan apa yang ditulis oleh tangan mereka, dan kecelakaan besar bagi mereka dari apa yang mereka usahakan itu.

The Quran says they have written stuff with their own hands. They corrupted the Scriptures and then they said 'This is from Allah'.

However, from a Quranic viewpoint, we do not have to worry about all that anymore. Why? Because as a Criterion or Furqan we can use the Quran to confirm all those "extra extra" things that are not from Allah. It does not matter if it was Bani Israel, the People of the Book, Nasara, Yahood or whoever.

Whatever Scripture they have, if the contents cannot be verified by the Quran, then the Muslims should not concern themselves with it. It is as simple as that. Otherwise it would be a total waste of time to say that the Quran is a Furqan or Criterion that can verify things.

So my dear Muslim friends, if the Quran only talks about A, B and C but you want to add D, E and F then congratulations. You have become god. As a Furqan or Criterion the Quran cannot verify your D, E and F. So be careful before you atttribute any "extra extra" stuff about the Quran.

I wish to highlight this point not just for Muslims but also for those Christians who say that the Prophet had read the Bible, from which he copied passages and then wrote the Quran.

Here is a question for the Muslims : did the Prophet know what was in the Christian Bible ? Or even in the Injeel ? What does the Quran say ?

[Surah 42.52] And thus did We reveal to you an inspired book by Our command. You did not know what the Book was, nor faith (ma kunta tadree ma-alkitabu wala al-eemanu) but We made it a light, guiding thereby whom We please of Our servants; and most surely you show the way to the right path.

The Prophet did not know what the Book was. He definitely did not know the Injeel or Taurat. He did not even know what was faith – 'You did not know what the Book was, nor faith. (wala al eemanu).'

Now for argument's sake only, assuming that the Prophet did know about the old Scriptures, especially those parts that are NOT found in the Quran, could he have taken those teachings from the Jewish or Christian teachings and then say 'This is also from Allah' ? The answer is again a straight NO. Why would he want to do such a thing? The Prophet was not a mad person. The Prophet had the Quran and the Quran CANNOT verify things that are NOT in the Quran.

Warning No. 2 : On the contrary the Quran (and the Rasul) said :

[Surah 3:69] A party of the people of the Book desire that they should lead you astray, and they lead not astray but themselves, and they do not perceive.

[Surah 3:70] O people of the Book! Why do you disbelieve in the revelations of Allah while you witness ?

[Surah 3:71] O people of the Book! Why do you confound the truth with the falsehood and hide the truth while you know?

The Quran records that is what the people of the Book (ahli kitab) were trying to do.

i. they were confounding truth with falsehood

ii. they were hiding the truth

ii. they disbelieved in the revelations and

iii. they wished to lead the Prophet astray.

So despite all these warnings, would the Prophet still take stuff from the writings of the same People of the Book and tell his people "This is also from Allah"? It is not possible.

Warning No. 3 : The Quran then warns the Prophet that the Yahood and the Nasarenes will constantly try to change the Prophet back to their ways.

[2.120] And the Yahood will not be pleased with you, neither the Nasarenes (Nasara) until you follow their ways. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.

So kekawan dengar baik-baik, kalaulah Nabi terikut kaum Yahood dan Nasara, maka Nabi akan terputus talian daripada bimbingan Allah : "And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper."

Here is the Malay translation :

Surah 2:120 "Orang-orang Yahudi dan Nasrani tidak sekali-kali akan bersetuju atau suka kepadamu sehingga engkau menurut ugama mereka. Katakanlah : "Sesungguhnya petunjuk Allah itulah petunjuk yang benar". Dan demi sesungguhnya jika engkau menurut kehendak hawa nafsu mereka sesudah datangnya pengetahuan kepadamu, maka tiadalah engkau akan peroleh dari Allah (sesuatupun) yang dapat mengawal dan memberi pertolongan kepada mu.

So with all these warnings from Allah, will the Prophet of Islam still copy material from the writings of the Yahood and the Nasarenes and then say 'This is from Allah' ? This is not possible.

Warning No. 4 : The Quran and the Rasul also say that people of the Book sold the Truth away for a cheap price. What they were given before from Allah was discarded behind their backs. Here is what the Quran says:

[Surah 3:187] And when Allah made a covenant with those who were given the Book: "You shall certainly make it known to men and you shall not hide it"; but they cast it behind their backs and took a small price for it; so evil is that which they buy.

They were given the Scripture but they cast it behind their backs, they wrote their own books, they corrupted the message and all sorts of other things. So again and again the Quran warns the Prophet to be careful about them.

So my Muslim friends, let us stop and think for a minute. After all this warning by Allah to the Rasul :

i. not to follow the people of the Book

ii. the people of the Book have written things with their own hands

iii. the Yahood and the Nasarenes will not stop until they revert you back

iv. they threw the Book behind their backs for some money

will the Prophet of Islam still go out and collect 'material' from the Jewish and Christian Books THAT ARE NOT IN THE QURAN and then pass it off to the ummah as "this is also from Allah"? Please think carefully. This is not possible.

So my dear Muslim friends, please do not slander the Rasul by saying such evil things about him.

Warning No. 5 : Cerita tak habis lagi. Again and again the Quran and the Rasul told us :

[3.100] O you who believe! if you obey a party from among those who have been given the Book, they will turn you back as kafireen after you have believed.

So if we obey some of the people who were given the Scripture, then we will become kafireen or disbelievers.

Warning No. 6 : The people of the Book were not pleased. They wanted the Rasul to follow their Books. But the Rasul never followed their Book. He was commanded to say :

[3.98] Say: O people of the Book! why do you disbelieve in the ayaah (verses) of Allah? And Allah is a witness of what you do.

The Rasul is telling them "why do you reject the Quran"?

[3.99] Say: O people of the Book! why do you hinder him who believes from the way of Allah? You seek (to make) it crooked, while you are witness, and Allah is not heedless of what you do.

The Rasul told them : Why are you trying so hard to change the Muslims away from Allah? Why do you want to deviate those who believe in Allah and the Quran ?

And having said so the Rasul cannot turn around and say "Its ok guys, we can refer the Jewish and Christian Books for some things". That is not possible. It will become a case of 'cakap tak serupa bikin' or saying one thing and then doing the opposite.

Warning No. 7 : THEN THE PROPHET TURNS TO THE BELIEVERS, ie THE MUSLIMS AND WARNS THEM :

[3.100] O you who believe! if you obey a party from among those who have been given the Book, they will turn you back as unbelievers after you have believed.

[3.101] But how can you disbelieve while it is you to whom the communications of Allah are recited, and among you is His Rasul? And whoever holds fast to Allah, he indeed is guided to the right path.

Here is the Malay translation :

[3:100] Wahai orang-orang yang beriman! Jika kamu taat akan sesuatu puak dari orang-orang (Yahudi dan Nasrani) yang diberikan Kitab itu, nescaya mereka akan mengembalikan kamu menjadi orang-orang kafir sesudah kamu beriman.

[3:101] Dan bagaimana kamu akan menjadi kafir padahal kepada kamu dibacakan ayat-ayat Allah, dan dalam kalangan kamu ada RasulNya? Dan sesiapa berpegang teguh kepada Allah, maka sesungguhnya ia telah beroleh petunjuk hidayah ke jalan yang betul.

So how can Muslims believe in Jewish and Christian teachings when Allah's Quran is with them?

Akhir kalam :

[2.120] And the Yahood will not be pleased with you, neither the Nasarenes until you follow their ways. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.

Pakistani Serial Murderers : Ng Yen Yen, Khaled Noordin, Anifah Aman, Cabinet At Fault.

Posted: 19 Jul 2012 09:42 PM PDT

Hishamuddin Hussein and Khaled Noordin, please wake up. Here is today's news :

Three Pakistanis suspected of killing real estate agent and advertising firm owner
. are said to be responsible for the death of another businessman
Police are now investigating if they are also responsible for other murders.
murdered 31-year-old Cheng Kok Seng who was reported missing on June 20.
found dead. just like Tang on June 26, also at Ara Damansara.
two of the suspects were in custody and were involved in at least two murders.
one of the suspects worked as a security guard and had been living in the country for a year
another was studying at a local college and had only been here for about a month.
"the student had entered the country on June 13,"
same modus operandi - their bank accounts were emptied, the victims were killed.
the third suspect, who is still at large, was an employee at the advertising firm owned by Cheng.

The third suspect is still at large. Maybe he is hiding in Hishamuddin's house or Khaled Noordin's house. I think the Police should go and check this out.

One murder suspect entered this country on a student visa on June 13th !! That is just over a month ago. Quite certainly from day one, he never had any intention of becoming a student. He is probably the hatchet-man, brought in by the mastermind, to do all the dirty work.

Here is the telephone conversation between them :

i. Abdoooooool, you must take the next flight here to KL. We have to kill a few people, Chinese people.

ii. OK Mustafa, but how do I get a visa?

iii. Abdoooooool, dont be stupid. Just go to the Malaysian High Comm in Islamabad and get a student visa. Even donkeys can get student visas for Malaysia. Tell them you will be taking a bachelor's degree in criminology.

Just a few days ago I posted : Mr Prime Minister The Polls Are In which showed a 97% negative rating for Hishamudin Hussein's handling of Home Affairs. There were many comments. I think one of Hisham's machais or Hisham himself posted this comment :

Anonymous said...

Yes, we are public servants, and you are the public, but we expect the public to be fair. This issue is caused by interference from so many ministries, but you choose not to highlight the pressure put up by Anifah Aman where he simply signed agreements with China, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, etc etc to allow easier access to this country. You choose not to highlight memos put up by NYY to allow for at least a few hundred thousand tourist visas each year to so many countries to support tourism. Khaled Nordin asks for 20,000 student visas each year for Middle East and Africa students.

This problem cannot be tackled by Hisham alone. He works in a committee consisting of so many different ministries and he needs to strike a balance. If you ask me, the entire cabinet has to take responsibility.

Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:17:00 AM

Read carefully folks :

This issue is caused by interference from so many ministries
pressure put up by Anifah Aman
highlight memos put up by NYY (Ng Yen Yen)
Khaled Nordin asks for 20,000 student visas
the entire cabinet has to take responsibility
cannot be tackled by Hisham alone

This comment is obviously from Hisham or his machais who seem to know about internal memos put up by Ng Yen Yen, Anifah Aman and Khaled Noordin. (How can I comment about your internal memos dude?)

Folks, now the tai chi has begun. Hisham's machais are blaming Anifah Aman, Ng Yen Yen, Khaled Noordin and the entire Cabinet for these problems. The entire Cabinet is at fault. They "cannot be tackled by Hisham alone".

I agree fully. The Cabinet aka the Billionaire's Club is too busy taking care of its own vital pulses and viagra doses to worry about what really goes on in the country. So what if a couple of Pakistani serial murderers slip into the country as students and kill a few people here?

After all how many were killed? Only two mah. Police say maybe a few more but haiyya what is a few less people in the country? Who is going to miss them?

The dunggus in Cabinet do not understand a simple solution to these problems : DO NOT CREATE THESE PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Even Cik Jah in Kuala Klawang can tell you dont open the floodgates to thousands upon thousands of Africans, Iranians, Pakistanis, South Americans, Eastern Europeans on ridiculous student visas for 35 year old first year students, 25 year old 'English language' students, uneducated Pakistani 'Managing Directors' (I know because I have met them) and all sorts of crap. And there are enough voices protesting the Visa on arrival procedure.

If you STOP CREATING PROBLEMS then we will not have all these negative issues like these serial murderers, drug dealers, money scammers and all sorts of foreign criminals operating in this country. Bodoh punya Cabinet. You morons are only worried about your own pocket book.

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