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Fatwa & Al Majnoon

Posted: 17 Apr 2012 09:20 PM PDT


I received an e mail and also a comment in my Blog this morning about the Kedah fatwa matter.

Here is the email from Jasmine :

1. "PROOF - Men have become gods. Hi ,...Ahhh..... Finally... Confirmation that men have finally become gods.... to ALL Malaysians !!!!"

And here is the comment :

2. "I'm sure you have read this latest piece from The Star titled "Future fatwa by Kedah mufti or fatwa committee cannot be challenged in court". My questions would be:

1) Who are in the Fatwa committee who are so beyond making dosa and mistakes? (They must be maksum, but if I'm not wrong, only the Prophets are maksum)

2) Isn't this very close to Catholic church style where you can't question the Pope because he's God's representative on Earth? Whatever the Pope says is unquestionable, right?

3) Who are the morons approving this in the State Assembly? Have they no sense? I can go on and on. I give up. Satan has influenced these freakos".


Folks, both the comments above are referring to this report in The Star :

Kedah makes fatwa absolute

ALOR SETAR: Any fatwa made in Kedah by the state mufti or Fatwa Committee cannot be challenged following an amendment to an existing law and approved by the state assembly here.

The amendment in the Mufti and Fatwa (Kedah Darul Aman) Enactment 2008 provides that a fatwa decided by the mufti or the committee, whether gazetted or not, cannot be challenged, appealed, reviewed, denied or questioned in any civil court or syariah court.

Mentri Besar Datuk Seri Azizan Abdul Razak tabled the amendment, which was unanimously passed by the House yesterday. He said the new provision was to clarify the membership of the Fatwa Committee and to give conclusiveness to any fatwa decided by the panel or the mufti.

Met by reporters after the sitting, Azizan said the insertion of Section 22A (in the enactment) was made to avoid external disputes. He said with the amendment, any problems regarding a fatwa should be referred back to the Fatwa Committee and not dragged to court.

"I believe Kedah is the first state to make such an amendment," the mentri besar said.

The Bill was among amendments passed by the assembly. The House also passed a Bill to apply for RM19.049mil from the Consolidated Fund for additional expenditure for services for 2012. The House adjourned sine die.


Here are my comments. Just a few points.

To my knowledge, a fatwa is effective only in the State where it is made. A fatwa only becomes an official fatwa AFTER it is approved by the State Legislature and AFTER it has been gazetted.

Here the PAS gomen in Kedah is amending the Legislation that in future a Fatwa need not be approved by the State Legislature or even have to be gazetted. This is a clear cut case of "duduk dalam bakul, angkat sendiri".

If the fatwa cannot be challenged in any court, it also means that our idea of Federalism and the Federal Constitution is becoming quite nonsensical.

Where is Karpal Singh on this PAS doo doo in Kedah? Where are the eminent hypocrites from the Bar Council? You Bar Council monkeys are always screaming about upholding the Federal Constitution? Well the PAS have just taken the Federal Constitution and shoved it up your kazoo. The sun wont shine in your kazoo, even if Liwat up-ends you all. So what do you liwat monkeys have to say about this?

Here is some news : fatwas are not mentioned in the Quran at all. There is no such thing as a fatwa being a source of legislation mentioned anywhere in the Quran.

A fatwa is just an opinion. If you go to Yahoo or Google and search 'Online Fatwas' you will find all sorts of religious monkeys putting their fatwas online. Many of them are Pakistani but plenty Arabs too. I will also be showing you an example of what I found from this search. Anyway these are all just their own foolish opinions. (Dont believe me? Do read on).

A fatwa is just an opinion. It has no standing to be made a law. Besides, in Islam there is no clergy. Islam does not allow for priests, popes, bishops and archbishops. There is no such thing as a central headquarters for Islam either. Islam definitely does not recognise any kind of organised clergy. So I really do not know what these fatwa people think about themselves.

However, the idea of fatwas as legislation is nothing new. There is (or was) a very similar thing in Christianity. It is called a "Church order". Here is a description :

"Church Order is the systematically organised set of rules drawn up by a qualified body for the church. From the point of view of civil law, the church order can be described as the internal law of the church."

This was a Christian practise where the Church passed its own fatwas and they became Orders or laws. The Church (I think it must be the Catholic Church) derived this habit from the Pope himself who could also make laws or edicts. Here is another definition :

"An edict is an announcement of a law. The Catholic Pope and various micronational leaders are currently the only persons who still issue edicts."

So you see, the Pope kicked off this fatwa thing In Christianity which become binding on all his sheep. Ba'aa ba'aa. So these strange ideas were prevalent in Christianity. You definitely cannot find them in the Quran. (Folks, I hope you can add two and two together?)

Here are some fatwas I found on the Internet. If you want to ROTFLMAO, I wont blame you.

I have provided the link here . So jangan marah saya ok. Marah the Gomen for bringing the Internet into our country.



Top 10 Bizarre or Ridiculous Fatwas

10. Sun and Earth

The Fatwa: Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz: The Sun Revolves Around the Earth

In a 2000 Fatwa titled "The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth", Saudi Arabian Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz asserted that the earth was flat and disk-like and that the sun revolved around it. He had insisted that satellite images to the contrary were nothing but a Western conspiracy against the Islamic world.

Source: Al-Ahram Weekly Issue 477, 13-19 April, 2000.


9 Satanic Verses

The Fatwa: Ayatollah Khomeini: Kill for A Book None of Us Can Should Read!

In 1988, publication of Salman Rushdie's novel "The Satanic Verses" led Iranian revolutionary leader Ayatollah Khomeini to issue a fatwa against Rushdie, with a huge bounty for his death.

Source: "The West Is Choked by Fear", Der Speigel Jan 4, 2010, Henryk Broder


8 Tomboys

The Fatwa: Malaysian National Fatwa Council: Tomboy fatwa

Maybe. Perhaps that's why Kuala Lumpur had a near riot on their hands when the Sisters in Islam marched against a Malaysian fatwa banning tomboys, which branded any girls who act un-ladylike as violating Islamic tenets. Fortunately, the as-yet undefined punishment for Malaysian girls in t-shirts and jeans hasn't been incorporated into Sharia law yet.

Source: The Malaysian Insider


7 Mickey Mouse

The Fatwa: Muhammad Al-Munajid: Bring Me the Head of Mickey Mouse

That's right, somebody put on hit on Mickey Mouse. Calling Mickey "one of Satan's soldiers," Sheikh Muhammad Al-Munajid decreed that household mice and their cartoon cousins must be "killed in all cases", according to the U.K.'s Daily Telegraph. Munajid used to be a former diplomat at the Saudi embassy in Washington D.C.

Source: Report: Saudi Cleric Says Mickey Mouse 'Must Die'.


6 Emoticons

The Fatwa: Multaqa Ahl al Hadeeth: Emoticon fatwa

According to Muslim Internet Forum Multaqa Ahl al Hadeeth, "Emoticons are forbidden because of its imitation to Allah's creatures whether it is original or mixture or even deformed one and since the picture is the face and the face is what makes the real picture then emoticons which represent faces that express emotions then all that add up to make them Haram." Additionally, "A woman should not use these images when speaking to a man who is not her mahram, because these faces are used to express how she is feeling, so it is as if she is smiling, laughing, acting shy and so on, and a woman should not do that with a non-mahram man. It is only permissible for a woman to speak to men in cases of necessity, so long as that is in a public chat room and not in private correspondence."

Source: Jihadwatch


5 Football

The Fatwa: Football fatwa

the Saudi newspaper Al Watan lampooned one very real edict setting out new rules for football. Ridiculous demands included "do not play with 11 people like the heretics, Jews, and Christians", and "play in your pyjamas or regular clothes (because) colored shorts and numbered T-shirts are not Muslim clothing".

Source: "A Fatwa on Football", The Guardian, Monday 31 October 2005.


4 Vaccine

The Fatwa: Infidel Vaccine

Polio is actually increasing in India, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Why? Because an anti-polio fatwa by anti-Western clerics forbid Pakistani children from immunizations, because the clerics are saying the vaccine is a conspiracy to make Muslims sterile.

Source: "POLIO ERADICATION: Looking for a Little Luck", Roberts Science 6 February 2009


3 Nudity and Sex

The Fatwa: Rashad Hassan Khalil: No Nudity for Sex

In 2007, the former dean of Islamic law at al-Azhar University in Cairo issued a fatwa that nudity during sexual intercourse invalidates a marriage between husband and wife.

For his part, Al-Azhar's fatwa committee chairman Abdullah Megawar backpedaled and said that married couples could see each other naked but should really cover up with a blanket during sex.

Source: SimplyDumb


2 Urine

The Fatwa: Sheik Ali Gomaa: Urine Fatwa

According to Egypt's Grand Mufti, Sheikh Ali Gomaa, drinking the urine of Muhammad is deemed a great blessing. Failing to pass the laugh test with Muslim scholars, Mufti Ali Gomaa later recanted, saying it was only his "personal opinion".

Source: "A Fatwa Free-for-All in the Islamic World", New York Times, Michael Slackman Published: Monday, June 11, 2007


1 Breastfeeding

The Fatwa: Ezzat Attiya: Adult Breastfeeding in the Workplace

In May 2007, Ezzat Attiya wondered how unrelated men and women could work together in the same office, when Islam forbids men and women who aren't married or related to be alone together. His answer: let her suckle him FIVE TIMES. Yes, that's right, an adult female breastfeeding an adult male coworker will defuse all sexual tension in the office.


Folks what can I say? Its time for lunch.


Clever Taliban Leader

Posted: 17 Apr 2012 07:31 PM PDT


A misguided Taliban commander handed himself into Afghan police in an attempt to claim the $100 reward being offered for his capture.

Mohammad Ashan, a mid-level commander wanted for his role in at least two attacks on security forces, approached police at a checkpoint in Paktika province with his wanted poster in hand.

Pointing to his picture on the poster, Ashan demanded he be paid the reward money, the Washington Post reports.

Stunned American forces, who came to confirm the insurgent's identity, said Ashan was keen to confirm his identity and pocket the money.

When asked if the picture on the poster was him, Ashan replied, "Yes, yes, that's me! Can I get my award now?" Specialist Matthew Baker told the Post.

The American troops confirmed Ashan's identity with a biometric scan.

While happy he was in custody, US officials couldn't help but take a swipe at the prisoner's questionable intelligence.

One called Ashan "the Taliban equivalent of the Home Alone burglars", while another simply said "the man is an imbecile".
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